In Washington, for most of our Jurisdiction’s history, learning the catechism or Posting Lecture was the way to prove proficiency in a Degree.
More recently, but for quite some time now, an alternate method has been widely used which consists of written instruction about each Degree, followed by a test of sorts.
Some argue, convincingly, that what is most important is a demonstration that the new Mason has begun to internalize and understand the lessons of the Degree.
Let’s chat about it…
What do you feel is the best method of proving proficiency? One of the methods above? Some combination of them? Something else entirely?
Catechism have never much impressed me. They can be fun when used to entertain. Written and oral exam's helps to prove and improve the ability to learn, understand and apply the lessons of masonry. This is what works best for me.
All of the above. Rising through the degrees should be a challenge. Another way to weed out unqualified men before they take leadership. If you can't dedicate the time necessary to prove proficiency in memorization, esoterics, history, and morality, then you don't have time for the fraternity. And I'll hear nothing about so and so has trouble with memorization... then he will have to work a little harder or find a different fraternity. Our historic brethren didn't lower standards, and neither should we.
A combination of both. The memorization is needed as well as getting in and understanding our work. I did the alternate way in 1999. I believe it was nee then and I might have been the test person. I do wish I had also learn the catechism as well. That only came along later as I started working with new Brothers. I feel I lost something king the way. But the alternate way did get me thinking more about the lessons in the degrees.
Some men will have issues with memorization due to medical conditions. Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) is fairly common among veterans that I personally know. Sometime long term memory is affected and sometimes it's short term. But this shouldn't be a reason to keep them from joing our Craft.
Witnessed a brother who had TBI, return his second this year. Heavy stutter, changed many words. He insisted on doing everything, no slack in his efforts. Army Vet.
Afterwards he was upset, saying he screwed it up. But such was not the case.
The WM pulled him aside, told him his efforts showed he inculcated the lessons internally. That masonry values no man for his external, but his internal values.
Guess who asked to be a steward next meeting?
Let us not lose sight of the qualities we look for. Not change the standard, instead encouraging our brothers to train, and help them do so.
"We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Freemasonry is half moral training program, half fellowship. All fraternity. The men who would otherwise remain at a perpetual distance from me; become my greatest mentors and friends.
Well as someone who has just proved up on the second ( long form in lodge) I love the idea of memorizing the posting lecture and actually understanding it. It makes you understand more of it and shows that you actually understood what happened.
Memorization of a story or ritual has been around since time immemorial. Religions of all faiths rely on it to teach, and to also attempt to connect with a higher power. Catholics learn Latin, Jews learn Hebrew, both learn Greek, etc. We all (if you're American) can say the pledge of allegiance from an early age, even though most kids don't understand what they are reciting.
And of course, who can forget "Pie Jesu Domine – Dona Eis Requiem" (*clunk*).
As I've mentioned previously, memorization of the posting lecture is important for a young mason's career as it sets a foundation for mater, especially when they decide to start that (hopefully) long climb up the ladder to the east. Not only learning the posting lecture, but helping younger members learn theirs, or practicing together. Seeing the degrees after you've gone through one yourself is also incredibly important. I went to at least a dozen (once, three in one night at #2) EA degrees before I proved up for my FC degree. Every chance I could I searched out a lodge within driving distance to attend degrees. At the time, my home lodge didn't require publicly proving up in lodge, just a thumbs up from our coach, except for the MM degree posting lecture, which was to prove proficiency so we could take a chair.
In Washington state, all that is required to be considered ready to advance to the next degree is the bare minimum - grip/pass and the obligation. That's it. You only need to do that for the first two degrees to be considered a MM in good standing. You may not be able to take a chair, but you can do just about anything else.
But when it comes time for you to mentor or help a new brother, can you? Can you actually read the cipher? Can you fill in the blanks in the passages? Can you properly guide the new brother through the degrees?
I agree, just because someone can't memorize the work due to some physical or mental problem, that doesn't take away from his quality as a mason. We had a young mason, a great guy, ex army, who suffered a traumatic brain injury, not from combat, but from a car accident in Oklahoma. He moved back to Washington state to live near his mother, because he couldn't do a lot for himself. He had severe memory issues, he couldn't retain much week to week. He couldn't drive himself. But he loved masonry and coming to lodge (if someone would give him a ride).
But the problem was, he loved masonry because of his buddies back in Oklahoma who were all lodge brothers his age that enjoyed the same things he did when he was mentally healthy. All of that was gone, and he couldn't get the same interaction with his new lodge mates. We were all a bit older (not a lot, but there was a little bit of a gap) and we didn't have much in common, especially the lifestyle he wanted to live. I had taken him out to lunch one time to try and work out just what we could do to make his life and lodge experience better. Did he want to watch movies? No. Go listen to music, or play board games, or go to a pub and have a beer? Attend sports? Go bowling? No. He didn't want to get a job because he was getting 100% disability for his TBI, and felt why work for almost nothing. What he wanted to do was to sit in his apartment, get high, and play video games. His friends were at the marijuana dispensary next door to his home. I have nothing against weed, but I don't personally imbibe, and since most of the lodge members were active duty military, or retired, drug use wasn't a thing we did.
He eventually quit coming to lodge, and shortly after that he committed suicide. I think his mom blames us for his passing, but frankly, the guy just didn't want to be helped and we weren't the solution to his problems. I feel bad, and still think of him from time to time though.
Why did I type all that? I dunno. Just talking about TBI got me thinking about that departed brother again and I felt a need to share.
Anyway, as was discussed last night, there is certainly more than regurgitating words to masonry. This is the point of "better lodge experience" we have been talking about here for ages. For some people learning the ritual is the end all be all to masonry. It's not, and was never intended to be, yet for some, that's all that's required. But for a lot of us, especially the younger generation, they want more than the boring stale meetings the fraternity has found itself doing for decades.
I love doing ritual work. I take pride in mine and strive to do as well as I can when conferring a degree, because I want to provide to that brother the best possible experience, he's only going to do it once in his life. But there is also the philosophical (and esoteric) side that needs to be explored. Or else, we're nothing more than the Elks with funny aprons.
When I was in line at my lodge I became aware that the quality of ritual proficiency was very low, and at times the opening and closing would grind to a painful halt. This set the tone of the whole evening. There is something magical about our opening and closing ritual that can be the opening to a great meeting.
I was raised in VA, and there I sat for examination for all three degrees. In fact, all the lights were lowered, except for the altar lights that illuminated my mentor and myself. We did my proficiency test with the whole Lodge watching. When I was done they actually voted on my performance. That experience made me feel I had earned my degrees and gave me a right to sit among my peers, and set me up to be better at ritual work. In my VA Lodge, which met every other Tuesday, the alternate Tuesdays were used for proficiency practice, and many of the regular attendees in Lodge would show up.
When I became Master I required the standard proficiency, and I can say that all of those brothers are good at ritual. NO ONE failed to pass the standard proficiency, though some required extra mentoring. The extra effort in some case built bonds between mentors and mentees.
I agree that the true proficiency is in the heart and spirit of a Mason, and that should be the ultimate guide for advancement, but there is no reason to not require the standard proficiency also.
Learning something as complex as ritual can be tricky because different people learn different ways. Most of us of a certain age learn by reading reinforced by writing because that’s the way we were taught to learn. Today’s young people learn visually because, alas, no one reads anymore. Others learn by sound. Musicians and linguists are good examples. When my daughter was young, she took up the violin and in middle school, she picked up the Japanese language as if she were a native speaker. Her music teacher said musicians learn with their ears and there’s a correlation between music and picking up a language. Personally, I learn best by reading and writing. However, when it comes to ritual, I learned best by oral recitation. This was also how I got through Pike’s Morals and Dogma, by listening to the audio book. So, in answer to the question posed, I think the bottom line is we want people to learn the best way they can. As a result, I think we should have a myriad of options open. Just because some of us learned things one way does not necessarily mean it’s the only way or right way.
I have a great amount of respect and admiration to those within our craft who possess phenominal memorization. I do not have this gift. I have no "medical or phsical reason and resent the idea that I should find another fraternaty. Yes, I can memorize small parts but it takes a great amount of effort for me and I often learn these parts by doing them. I have discovered that I am far from alone in this respect. Look around your lodge for those who sit quietly on the sideline and if you look farther you will find many who no longer attend. Does our lack of memorization skills mean that we should never have become a Mason? Does this mean that the great motto of "making good men better" applies only to those who can memorize and the rest were really never good men in the beginning and should not be made better? I think not. I believe that Masonry is much more than being able to memorize. Those who lack memorization skills should not be penalized and left to sit on the sidelines as a second class Mason but should be encouraged to move forward as we make "good men better". Yes, those of us who lack the great skill of memorization need a lot of help from our betheren to first understand and then to help as we do our work in the lodge using whatever we have to to do our part. I am proud to say that my own lodge possesses great empathy and has done nothing but encourage me and others. The alternative method of proficiancy was a great step forward in bringing in men without memorization skills but I do agree that it should be used maimly as an educational tool and an alternate method of proficiency.
I'll borrow a quote from the 1929 Proceedings of the GL of Florida to make my point, "It is improper for the Worshipful Master at any time to make the statement that the Lodge is about to ballot upon the proficiency of a candidate. The Lodge is always balloting upon the worthiness and qualifications of the applicant to be passed and raised just the same as when balloting upon a candidate to receive the E.A. Degree."
I am certified by the GL Committee on Work to instruct catechisms and deliver the Entered Apprentice Lecture, so it seems ironic that for me memorization is the least important aspect of proving proficiency in a Degree. Different Brothers require different approaches and the truth is not every Brother is blessed with a good memory. To look down on Brothers that struggle with memory work or even go as far as blocking their advancement is unmasonic in my opinion. A Brother that memorizes the entire work to perfection has just as much value to the Lodge as a Brother that actively participates in meetings and discussions and lends himself to the service of the Craft in other ways.
It should be the responsibility or desire of Past Master to mentor the new members of their lodge. The fist two degree can be done by committee if desired by the WM. But when it come to the MM degree proficiency in open lodge is the only way it should be done. The new candidate proficiency written program and quiz are the helpful means to learn the Masonic work. Then again I say where are the past Master for the help?? Our lodge has weekly sections mentoring the new officers as well as the the new members with their proficiency. And we have fun doing so. Sound like an old record!
There's no question that memorization is an admired quality among Masons. Without checking the Masonic histories of the Brothers who have contributed to this thread I'm going to guess than many have been Masons for 20+ years, which means that their first impressions of proficient Masonry came from Masons who were around for 20+ years 20+ years ago. Lodges have changed a lot since then.
I'm told that it used to be that Lodges were routinely much fuller than they are now and that there wasn't the rush to advance young Masons through the chairs as there is now. I suppose that if a Mason routinely attended to sit and observe on the sidelines for five or ten years before taking their first chair that sooner or later their memories would capture a lot of the ritual. But time and routine are two elements that seldom exist these days. The outer world has changed too, and memory isn't a skill that modern education methods employ to the same extent as days gone by.
Put them together and what to you get? Incoming Masons today show up with a different skill set, we don't give them as much time to get ready for ritual recitation, and their busy lives prevent them from showing up routinely. We either adapt to this or become a bunch of old men sitting around complaining that nobody remembers the ritual as well as (they still believe) they do. Oy!
I proved proficiency by delivering all three posting lectures in open Lodge. I believe that was the best way to do it, not because of anything it taught really, but because of how doing so helped me later on.
First of all, doing so gave me confidence. I learned that I could memorize something extremely long, and deliver it well. That made what came later easier.
Secondly, at least in Washington, much of what is in the Posting Lectures are ritual snippets utilized elsewhere. By learning those snippets as part of the catechism, I already had them down when I took chairs, so had less new that needed to be learned.
I wasn't, and still am not a fan of the 'Book and Test' method, but I know some people disagree with me.
Better than the 'Book and Test' method in my opinion, for those who can't or don't memorize, or for Lodges that aren't into requiring the posting lectures would in my opinion be to have a candidate write an essay about what he learned in the Degree. Not something just tossed off, but a serious effort on the Degree, or some part of the Degree that truly spoke to him.
Best of all, in my opinion, would be a combination of the posting lectures, and essays. I think that is rare in the Masonic world, but not unheard of.
Catechism have never much impressed me. They can be fun when used to entertain. Written and oral exam's helps to prove and improve the ability to learn, understand and apply the lessons of masonry. This is what works best for me.
All of the above. Rising through the degrees should be a challenge. Another way to weed out unqualified men before they take leadership. If you can't dedicate the time necessary to prove proficiency in memorization, esoterics, history, and morality, then you don't have time for the fraternity. And I'll hear nothing about so and so has trouble with memorization... then he will have to work a little harder or find a different fraternity. Our historic brethren didn't lower standards, and neither should we.
A combination of both. The memorization is needed as well as getting in and understanding our work. I did the alternate way in 1999. I believe it was nee then and I might have been the test person. I do wish I had also learn the catechism as well. That only came along later as I started working with new Brothers. I feel I lost something king the way. But the alternate way did get me thinking more about the lessons in the degrees.
Some men will have issues with memorization due to medical conditions. Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) is fairly common among veterans that I personally know. Sometime long term memory is affected and sometimes it's short term. But this shouldn't be a reason to keep them from joing our Craft.
Some days with TBI are better than others.
Witnessed a brother who had TBI, return his second this year. Heavy stutter, changed many words. He insisted on doing everything, no slack in his efforts. Army Vet.
Afterwards he was upset, saying he screwed it up. But such was not the case.
The WM pulled him aside, told him his efforts showed he inculcated the lessons internally. That masonry values no man for his external, but his internal values.
Guess who asked to be a steward next meeting?
Let us not lose sight of the qualities we look for. Not change the standard, instead encouraging our brothers to train, and help them do so.
"We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Freemasonry is half moral training program, half fellowship. All fraternity. The men who would otherwise remain at a perpetual distance from me; become my greatest mentors and friends.
Well as someone who has just proved up on the second ( long form in lodge) I love the idea of memorizing the posting lecture and actually understanding it. It makes you understand more of it and shows that you actually understood what happened.
Memorization of a story or ritual has been around since time immemorial. Religions of all faiths rely on it to teach, and to also attempt to connect with a higher power. Catholics learn Latin, Jews learn Hebrew, both learn Greek, etc. We all (if you're American) can say the pledge of allegiance from an early age, even though most kids don't understand what they are reciting.
And of course, who can forget "Pie Jesu Domine – Dona Eis Requiem" (*clunk*).
As I've mentioned previously, memorization of the posting lecture is important for a young mason's career as it sets a foundation for mater, especially when they decide to start that (hopefully) long climb up the ladder to the east. Not only learning the posting lecture, but helping younger members learn theirs, or practicing together. Seeing the degrees after you've gone through one yourself is also incredibly important. I went to at least a dozen (once, three in one night at #2) EA degrees before I proved up for my FC degree. Every chance I could I searched out a lodge within driving distance to attend degrees. At the time, my home lodge didn't require publicly proving up in lodge, just a thumbs up from our coach, except for the MM degree posting lecture, which was to prove proficiency so we could take a chair.
In Washington state, all that is required to be considered ready to advance to the next degree is the bare minimum - grip/pass and the obligation. That's it. You only need to do that for the first two degrees to be considered a MM in good standing. You may not be able to take a chair, but you can do just about anything else.
But when it comes time for you to mentor or help a new brother, can you? Can you actually read the cipher? Can you fill in the blanks in the passages? Can you properly guide the new brother through the degrees?
I agree, just because someone can't memorize the work due to some physical or mental problem, that doesn't take away from his quality as a mason. We had a young mason, a great guy, ex army, who suffered a traumatic brain injury, not from combat, but from a car accident in Oklahoma. He moved back to Washington state to live near his mother, because he couldn't do a lot for himself. He had severe memory issues, he couldn't retain much week to week. He couldn't drive himself. But he loved masonry and coming to lodge (if someone would give him a ride).
But the problem was, he loved masonry because of his buddies back in Oklahoma who were all lodge brothers his age that enjoyed the same things he did when he was mentally healthy. All of that was gone, and he couldn't get the same interaction with his new lodge mates. We were all a bit older (not a lot, but there was a little bit of a gap) and we didn't have much in common, especially the lifestyle he wanted to live. I had taken him out to lunch one time to try and work out just what we could do to make his life and lodge experience better. Did he want to watch movies? No. Go listen to music, or play board games, or go to a pub and have a beer? Attend sports? Go bowling? No. He didn't want to get a job because he was getting 100% disability for his TBI, and felt why work for almost nothing. What he wanted to do was to sit in his apartment, get high, and play video games. His friends were at the marijuana dispensary next door to his home. I have nothing against weed, but I don't personally imbibe, and since most of the lodge members were active duty military, or retired, drug use wasn't a thing we did.
He eventually quit coming to lodge, and shortly after that he committed suicide. I think his mom blames us for his passing, but frankly, the guy just didn't want to be helped and we weren't the solution to his problems. I feel bad, and still think of him from time to time though.
Why did I type all that? I dunno. Just talking about TBI got me thinking about that departed brother again and I felt a need to share.
Anyway, as was discussed last night, there is certainly more than regurgitating words to masonry. This is the point of "better lodge experience" we have been talking about here for ages. For some people learning the ritual is the end all be all to masonry. It's not, and was never intended to be, yet for some, that's all that's required. But for a lot of us, especially the younger generation, they want more than the boring stale meetings the fraternity has found itself doing for decades.
I love doing ritual work. I take pride in mine and strive to do as well as I can when conferring a degree, because I want to provide to that brother the best possible experience, he's only going to do it once in his life. But there is also the philosophical (and esoteric) side that needs to be explored. Or else, we're nothing more than the Elks with funny aprons.
When I was in line at my lodge I became aware that the quality of ritual proficiency was very low, and at times the opening and closing would grind to a painful halt. This set the tone of the whole evening. There is something magical about our opening and closing ritual that can be the opening to a great meeting.
I was raised in VA, and there I sat for examination for all three degrees. In fact, all the lights were lowered, except for the altar lights that illuminated my mentor and myself. We did my proficiency test with the whole Lodge watching. When I was done they actually voted on my performance. That experience made me feel I had earned my degrees and gave me a right to sit among my peers, and set me up to be better at ritual work. In my VA Lodge, which met every other Tuesday, the alternate Tuesdays were used for proficiency practice, and many of the regular attendees in Lodge would show up.
When I became Master I required the standard proficiency, and I can say that all of those brothers are good at ritual. NO ONE failed to pass the standard proficiency, though some required extra mentoring. The extra effort in some case built bonds between mentors and mentees.
I agree that the true proficiency is in the heart and spirit of a Mason, and that should be the ultimate guide for advancement, but there is no reason to not require the standard proficiency also.
Learning something as complex as ritual can be tricky because different people learn different ways. Most of us of a certain age learn by reading reinforced by writing because that’s the way we were taught to learn. Today’s young people learn visually because, alas, no one reads anymore. Others learn by sound. Musicians and linguists are good examples. When my daughter was young, she took up the violin and in middle school, she picked up the Japanese language as if she were a native speaker. Her music teacher said musicians learn with their ears and there’s a correlation between music and picking up a language. Personally, I learn best by reading and writing. However, when it comes to ritual, I learned best by oral recitation. This was also how I got through Pike’s Morals and Dogma, by listening to the audio book. So, in answer to the question posed, I think the bottom line is we want people to learn the best way they can. As a result, I think we should have a myriad of options open. Just because some of us learned things one way does not necessarily mean it’s the only way or right way.
I have a great amount of respect and admiration to those within our craft who possess phenominal memorization. I do not have this gift. I have no "medical or phsical reason and resent the idea that I should find another fraternaty. Yes, I can memorize small parts but it takes a great amount of effort for me and I often learn these parts by doing them. I have discovered that I am far from alone in this respect. Look around your lodge for those who sit quietly on the sideline and if you look farther you will find many who no longer attend. Does our lack of memorization skills mean that we should never have become a Mason? Does this mean that the great motto of "making good men better" applies only to those who can memorize and the rest were really never good men in the beginning and should not be made better? I think not. I believe that Masonry is much more than being able to memorize. Those who lack memorization skills should not be penalized and left to sit on the sidelines as a second class Mason but should be encouraged to move forward as we make "good men better". Yes, those of us who lack the great skill of memorization need a lot of help from our betheren to first understand and then to help as we do our work in the lodge using whatever we have to to do our part. I am proud to say that my own lodge possesses great empathy and has done nothing but encourage me and others. The alternative method of proficiancy was a great step forward in bringing in men without memorization skills but I do agree that it should be used maimly as an educational tool and an alternate method of proficiency.
I'll borrow a quote from the 1929 Proceedings of the GL of Florida to make my point, "It is improper for the Worshipful Master at any time to make the statement that the Lodge is about to ballot upon the proficiency of a candidate. The Lodge is always balloting upon the worthiness and qualifications of the applicant to be passed and raised just the same as when balloting upon a candidate to receive the E.A. Degree."
I am certified by the GL Committee on Work to instruct catechisms and deliver the Entered Apprentice Lecture, so it seems ironic that for me memorization is the least important aspect of proving proficiency in a Degree. Different Brothers require different approaches and the truth is not every Brother is blessed with a good memory. To look down on Brothers that struggle with memory work or even go as far as blocking their advancement is unmasonic in my opinion. A Brother that memorizes the entire work to perfection has just as much value to the Lodge as a Brother that actively participates in meetings and discussions and lends himself to the service of the Craft in other ways.
It should be the responsibility or desire of Past Master to mentor the new members of their lodge. The fist two degree can be done by committee if desired by the WM. But when it come to the MM degree proficiency in open lodge is the only way it should be done. The new candidate proficiency written program and quiz are the helpful means to learn the Masonic work. Then again I say where are the past Master for the help?? Our lodge has weekly sections mentoring the new officers as well as the the new members with their proficiency. And we have fun doing so. Sound like an old record!
There's no question that memorization is an admired quality among Masons. Without checking the Masonic histories of the Brothers who have contributed to this thread I'm going to guess than many have been Masons for 20+ years, which means that their first impressions of proficient Masonry came from Masons who were around for 20+ years 20+ years ago. Lodges have changed a lot since then.
I'm told that it used to be that Lodges were routinely much fuller than they are now and that there wasn't the rush to advance young Masons through the chairs as there is now. I suppose that if a Mason routinely attended to sit and observe on the sidelines for five or ten years before taking their first chair that sooner or later their memories would capture a lot of the ritual. But time and routine are two elements that seldom exist these days. The outer world has changed too, and memory isn't a skill that modern education methods employ to the same extent as days gone by.
Put them together and what to you get? Incoming Masons today show up with a different skill set, we don't give them as much time to get ready for ritual recitation, and their busy lives prevent them from showing up routinely. We either adapt to this or become a bunch of old men sitting around complaining that nobody remembers the ritual as well as (they still believe) they do. Oy!
I proved proficiency by delivering all three posting lectures in open Lodge. I believe that was the best way to do it, not because of anything it taught really, but because of how doing so helped me later on.
First of all, doing so gave me confidence. I learned that I could memorize something extremely long, and deliver it well. That made what came later easier.
Secondly, at least in Washington, much of what is in the Posting Lectures are ritual snippets utilized elsewhere. By learning those snippets as part of the catechism, I already had them down when I took chairs, so had less new that needed to be learned.
I wasn't, and still am not a fan of the 'Book and Test' method, but I know some people disagree with me.
Better than the 'Book and Test' method in my opinion, for those who can't or don't memorize, or for Lodges that aren't into requiring the posting lectures would in my opinion be to have a candidate write an essay about what he learned in the Degree. Not something just tossed off, but a serious effort on the Degree, or some part of the Degree that truly spoke to him.
Best of all, in my opinion, would be a combination of the posting lectures, and essays. I think that is rare in the Masonic world, but not unheard of.