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Glenn Geiss's avatar

The history of the region of the Ukraine is almost as troublesome as the middle east. My family (germans) moved to the odessa region during the reign of catherine the great. The germans were well known for their farming, and russia was suffering from famines. Catherine the great offered homestead land for free to any germans that moved there to farm. The only condition the germans insisted on was a promise not to be drafted into the army, which was agreed to. Also keep in mind, Catherine the Great was herself german.

Of course, like any empire, they reneged on that promise later. My great grandparents moved to the US in the late 1800s as they could see the clouds of war on the horizon.

After WW2, and the USSR took over the area, one of the first things they did was evict the germans, mainly by moving them to siberia and the gulags. I imagine that at least some of my relatives met this fate.

So, that's how you could find ukrainians fighting against the russians during WW2.

Now, I'm not going to defend anyone, just make some conclusions based on several bits of evidence and personal knowledge. First, not all germans were nazis. Only about 10% of the german population were card carrying nazis. The military was more filled with patriots much like any other army, fighting for the fatherland. Nazi was a political party.

Second, while this gentleman that was featured in the article was probably a german born ukrainian, I don't know if you could accurately call him a nazi. Maybe he was? Maybe not. Was he conscripted into the military as the germans rolled through the area? Probably.

So, the motivations of this person as well as the unit he served in were probably more of fighting against the government that was oppressing them than being part of the ideologue of the nazi party.

Also keep in mind that the germans were forcibly conscripting non germans late in the war simply because of the second front, and there were many non germans defending the atlantic wall against their will.

My point is, that just as you mention in the post that nothing is ever black and white, there are probably very much more layers to this whole story. Was he just as the news article portrayed him, a nazi fighting against our allies in WW2? Probably, but I suspect it was more than that. It doesn't excuse what Canada did, that was incredibly stupid, if just for the optics of it all.

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Will Lippl's avatar

Think before you speak! Logic and rhetoric. It is interesting how the trivium is almost universally represented as grammar, logic, rhetoric. (Read/Think/Speak) ... Almost universally.

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